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said the deficit and the state of american society. that is exactly right. you can look at questions of the budget and questions of infrastructure and immigration policy but above all education policy because this is the future and we are not talking about physical infrastructure but human infrastructure and joel is someone who has dedicated the most recent phase of his multi phase currier to this and when he is not discovering the best restaurants in brooklyn he is focused on improving a lot of young people in this country. so let me tell you how condi is dedicated to this issue. year-and-a-half i called her up and asked her to do something for me and with me. she said i'm too -- don't even go there. we have bet on many football games. before the end of this conversation you are going to agree to what is going to happen and she said no way. we at the council of foreign relations spend our time working on things like china, mexico, all the judicial foreign policy issues and we've moved our agenda and increasingly focusing on things domestic and what we want to do is a report on educa
" and he joins me now. thanks for being with us now. we appreciate it. you compare the deficit to an insurance policy. you say it doesn't make you any richer in the short-term, but in the long-term, it is helpful. i want to actually put your statements up. you say let's agree to keep deficits very high for at least another year. and then let's buy an insurance policy against that debt crisis when we can really afford it. so lots of republicans and democrats out there would disagree greatly with you. say that america's ability to pay its debt is really important. how would you respond to them? >> right. i do think that there's a thing that's taken place in washington deficit reduction will stimulate us to enormous growth in 2013. the fact is what deficit reduction is, is tax increases and spending cuts, both of which take economic activity out of the economy. so this really is extremely similar to insurance. if i buy, say, flood insurance. what i'm doing is i'm paying a short premium in the short-term, to protect my house in the long-term. that's exactly what deficit reduction i
that medicare and medicaid are the main drivers of our deficit. and i know we have seen this morning also several editorial writers indicate the same, that it is important that we put these drivers of the deficit on the table and include them as part of any agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. as the speaker said, we have done our part. we have put revenues on the table, something that we didn't do two years ago during the debt ceiling negotiation. we still believe that it is most important for us to address the economic situation in this country where so many people are out of work. and that's why we take the position and believe strongly that increasing marginal rates is income tax rates is not the way to produce growth and to put people back to work. but we have not seen any good faith effort on the part of this administration to talk about the real problem that we're trying to fix. i'm told that mr. bowles, as some of us will meet with him later today, had said earlier this morning that it's been no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, on medicare and medicaid. this
to fix this borrowing debt deficit issue in the book, vice president biden's chief of staff, talking about the economic crisis in 2011, that's exactly what is going on. there is so much evidence that it is the biggest future. we are on the path becoming europe and greece. you just can't keep borrowing money. there is a stunning and fiction in this country, and we need some sort of we need some serious intervention. in the book, what i attempt to do is take people to the presidents and leaders and tell you exactly because of the luxury of time and my publisher, simon & schuster, i declined to get the meeting notes to get the exact detail to interview president obama and speaker boehner and the key players in this. i just want to take one quick snapshot from what happened that we didn't know about, which is critical. when the cops pull up less when the president was upset, he called the congressional leaders on a saturday morning at 11:00 o'clock a.m. the democratic and republican leaders were trying to work out their own deal. harry reid, the democratic leader, said to the president,
the bars below zero represent years when the deficit grew. these bars above zero represent years when the deficit shrunk. we're here right now in the deficit shrunk portion of the chart. the point of the shrinking on the whole chart back to 1950. when somebody stops inevitably matering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you can help with visual aids. we have posted both of those charts we just showed you on our blog and you can load them on your smartphone or ipad to pass around the table and print them out on paper in case your uncle doesn't look liking at these new things. those are waiting for you now. we are here for you. you can do this. report back and let us know how it went. that does it for us tonight. have a great thanksgiving. we'll see you monday. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell guest hosted by the spectacular ezra kline. good evening. >> good evening, rachel. i am glad to know other people bring charts to thanksgiving dinner. >> we're pr
senator pat toomey from pennsylvania. he was a member of the deficit reduction super committee last year that failed to agree on a plan. but he's been talking about this issue for a long, long time. good morning, senator. >> good morning. >> we just learned that president obama will be traveling to your backyard on friday to talk about the fiscal cliff and spending, and traveling to pennsylvania right now. is this a welcome visit as far as you're earned? >> as far as i'm concerned the president of the united states is always welcome in my state of pennsylvania. we welcome the president and look forward to his message, and i have some questions i'd like to-ish i hope he addresses. >> what questions? >> first of all the president seems absolutely determined to inflict a tax increase on the american people. two years ago he signed a bill that extended the current tax rates for two more years because he said the last thing you want to do is raise taxes in a weak economy. today the economy is weaker than it was two years ago. why in the world does he want to inflict that damage now? >> senato
that i think the democratic governing model is broken. we see with the debt and deficit -- the democratic party cannot go on this way. it is also going to have to accommodate itself to the physical reality, and i think that there is a lot the mainstream media that is focusing on republicans and tax rates. and what does the president have to do about spending? he's never been seous about cutting the deficit. is he really going to leave office with a 20 trillion-dollar debt? cheryl: if you look at this poll, and this is actually going to surprise you, when voters were asked, if the fiscal cliff heads, who do yo blame? obama. of course. 29%. >> that as president obama effectively we using the soap box. then i say this. if this was a referendum on higher tax rates, was a ballet on obamacare? the public is opposed to obamacare. is the president going to put obamacare on the table for spending cuts? they do have some principles to fight for and i think it would be a waste if they can act and caved in on everything. i think that the government needs more revenue. because of the recession, gover
in interest rates, $2.4 billion we take in. there's a $1.1 billion deficit. if that keeps up -- >> trillion. you're talking trillion-dollar deficits every year. >> if that keeps up, the spending goes to $6 billion. what we take in goes to $4.6 billion. you have a $1.4 billion deficit you're going to deal with in ten years with $1 trillion debt. interest payments you have to make every year. when you're making interest payments of $1 trillion a year, everybody is going to stop investing. germany isn't going to buy our bonds anymore. >> maybe they want this. it seems like both sides are digging in. the president says he wants $ .6 trillion in revenue. that means higher taxes as well as taking the loopholes away. maybe he wants to go over the cliff to prove a point. >> going over the cliff to prove a point is like wrecking your car to show that you can't drive. i mean, it doesn't make any sense. what makes sense is to be thoughtful. a democrats and a republican two years ago, simpson/bowles, got together and put together some guidelines that nobody paid any attention to. it had to do with heal
of sweden suggests teens and adults with attention deficit disorder are four more times likely than others to break the law and also found the use of adhd medication into adulthood might also help curb crime. >>> to sports we start with two nba games. lifting the hawks over washington, 101-100 and next, russ well westbrook had a fading jumper over chris paul. oklahoma city beat l.a. 117-111. >>> fourth ranked michigan made a second half come back at the nit semifinals. wolverines beat pittsburgh skaech-62, to advance for the championship game. a big nfl thanksgiving triple header today, come on, men, you know you're excited, starts with texans at the lions at 12:30 and redskins at downs at 425 and primetime matchup has the "new york times" jets at 8:20 on nbc. >>> your entertainment is straight ahead. on this thanksgiving, actor william shatner gets autotuned in this deep fried turkey from state farm. it's a little bizarre. take a listen. ♪ ♪ i want a deep fried turkey, a moister taking turkey ♪ ♪ blinded by my hung er i ignord safety ♪ ♪ spatula tasted science you're not flame
. >> dana: all right. >> eric: obama have to advertise he promised to -- [ laughter ] -- cut the deficit in half? >> dana: where will it end? >> kimberly: we want an apology. >> dana: super pac ad with apology. >> kimberly: deliberately dezeed the american people. >> bob: that is not true. >> dana: we'll ponder that. coming up, 5 a 50 million reasons you might not want to win tonight's powerball jackpot. brian has all of those next on "the five." ♪ ♪ >>> i'm bret baier in washington. the big story here today is a new develop in the president obama's evident to get off the fiscal cliff. tonight on "special report," the president may be trying to divide budget negotiations in two pieces, insisting on tax increases for high earners this year with a promise to cut spending next year. some critics call it wimpy from popaye strategy, gladly paying you tuesday for a hamburger today. house speaker john boehner insists the republicans are willing to work with the mt. offering the tax revenues if significant spending cuts are part of the deal. is social security on table? should it be? we hear
at the deficit, the debt, it all matters. and what they are doing, it's almost like a microcosm of what the federal government does. it prints it, goes into more deficit spending. that is what fema is doing. they don't have the money and they will be able to pay back the money a already zero. it is all really the same. congress needs to address this. we cannot keep on doing this, keep on bailing out fema. everything will be fine. it. melissa: we don't want to leave people who need help. are they out of money because their and our people in disaster situations? are they just bad at managing it? >> two reasons, and you mentioned them both. the first is that people build houses on flood prone areas, beaches, next to reverse. they only pay a couple hundred dollars a year for flood insurance. the taxpayer bells them out of literally and figuratively out of these floods because let's say $300 a year. they did bailed out to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by the federal government when a disaster strikes. if you kind of sound -- well, let's look at how we do this. no, we are taxpayers
have to tackle the deficit. it's not only what we spend today, it's what with we owe tomorrow. sessions ha said we know what happened in the stimulus of 2009, $800 million was basically wasted. the president himself admitted the failure. there wasn't enough shovel-ready jobs, and not only that, it did not prevent national unemployment from being below 8%. in fact, it hasn't been below 8% for most of his term as president. so sessions was a shot over the bow to senators and house members, don't be fooling around with the stimulus. we've got to fix spending, and we also have to tackle revenue. but it's not going to be done with you now throwing a huge stimulus that we can't afford. ainsley: jeff sessions says spending will go up. do you agree with that? >> no. and as much as i love mr. smith dose to washington, i don't think one senator should be able to buck the will of the american people. two weeks ago we had an election, and the voters spoke loud and clear. they prioritize job creation over deficit reduction. now, the reality is the two don't have to be mutually exclusive, and i think
're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't, but the point is historically the people who lose do so because the people in their state have figured that out. >> back to, i think, where you were going a moment ago, bob, it is interesting that when you look at the top two, two of the top republican senators we're talking about who are flirting to break this pledge, break with grover norquist and consider raising taxes on the wealthy they both face re-election in 2014. i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifti
the plan to a bankruptcy judge on friday. sa they need to close a nearly $46 billion budget deficit. new york and new jersey need at least $71.3 billion to recover from the devastation of super storm sandy and prevent similar damage from future storms. this is according to the state's latest estimates. that total of course could grow. steve liesman has been crunching the newspaperup i numbers and hn the next hour. this is to try to build up some sort of protection, some massive floodwalls. governor cuomo was saying this would be like $9.1 billion to start building. >> questions about the future of the sec following mary shapiro's exit. elyse walter could run the agent until december 2013 when she would have to be renominated and reapproved by the senate. among the issues, and ongoing battle over regulating the $2.5 trillion money market fund industry, some 63 unfinished rule making requirements that are all part of dodd-frank and continuing fears of course about market stability and high frequency trading. p. >> money markets used to be covered by the fdic when the crisis first came on.
the typical washington show game and take a few bills. if we want to cut the budget deficit we have to look at everything that's been passed and make decisions against each of those. if obama-care is the most important policy considered its survives. if there are other things being considered it doesn't survive. that's the only way to approach cliff that's running out very quickly. rick: if there is a deal spending cuts have to be put on the table and obama-care cost a lot of money. >> that's not true. it cuts the deficit in a 10-year period and even more so over 20 years. john boehner said in his own op-ed that he tried two different ways to get rid of obama-care, going to the supreme court and in the election. they tried 33 times to repeal obama-care in the congress and failed all 33 times. the bottom line is now we have obama-care. it is the law of the lands. we need to take the off the table and focus on the bush tax cuts which american voters decided they want to keep for people under $250,000 and they want to get rid of for people making more than $250,000. rick: obama-care lowers the
and we'll have another trillion dollar deficit according to cbo moving into next year and we can't afford anymore like that. if we take what obama would be willing to support which is increase in the age of, again recipients and other type of reforms like that, then we have a legitimate negotiation as we move into it. but when you have liberal members of the democratic party stepping forward and saying before the process begins they will not accept any type of entitlement reform, it makes it untenable process from the beginning. jon: is it no entitlement reform, simon, or is it perhaps entitlement reform when it comes to medicare? i haven't heard anybody talk about reforming social security on democratic side? >> that is good question and i think, look i think we're in the early stages, chris, of this whole debate. eric cantor went on morning joe said and won't raise taxes on anybody under any circumstance which would you argue is stopping negotiations. both sides are laying out positions right now. there are negotiations going on. clearly the fiscal cliff is scaring everybody into action
service announced a 15.9 billion in losses, the agency is trying to recoup the deficit. starting inep december 12th. they will follow ebay and amazon and walmart and offer same day delivery. the metro post ames to boost profits by taking advantage of holiday shoppers who get their hands on last-packages and the agency is teaming up with 8-10 retailers to offer it at a $10 flat rate fee. we know that customers will have to place their orders by two o'clock p.m. the latest and items will be delivered between four and eight the same day. they hope to generate 10-50 million. and it expected 20 percent jump in package volume which is more than the rivals. they will look to expand it in other major like new york, boston and chicago et cetera. the outlook is bleak even if it makes maxed profit. that is not enough to plug the budget hole and not taking boo - into the account to run the program. >> we are all pulling for the postal service. time right now. 17 after the hour. it was an iconic image of sandy. new york city crane twisted in half and damaging buildings and now business owners are
before the end of the year. maybe a down payment on deficit reduction combined with a commitment to hit the big numbers. >> in addition to the fiscal cliff, some big vacancies coming up in the president's cabinet the state department, the treasury, even the cia, the general petraeus scandal, three vacancies now. >> and there's likely to be more shuffling in the president's cabinet. the president has signaled is favorite likely to be u.n. ambassador susan rice for secretary of state, she's faced a lot of opposition in house this week, republicans signed a letter not to appoint susan rice. the president hasn't made a final decision yet. if he went for it, despite this controversy over benghazi, he would get her through the senate. the top guy to replace timothy geithner, is jack lew. >> slightly less serious note we would like to hit, apparently some head shaving on the broadcast this morning. >> the first on "this week." this is a great story. the top spokesman for both of the democrats and republicans, whoever lost the election would shave their head. this is sean spicer was supposed to
to be the biggest driver of our deficits. >> reporter: mr. obama has insisted that in any deal, tax rates on the wealthy must rise. but a top democrat signaled openness to the republican stance. revenue can be raised by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the country's stock market into a freefall. our reporter is in cairo with the very latest. ayman, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. egypt's stock market opened for a second straight day, and it plunged already by 4%. now, that's already a day after it lost 10%, and officials there had to stop trading just to prevent it from declinin
dick durbin says medicare and medicaid are fair game in deficit negotiations, but insist social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt, not a penny. it's a separate funded operation, and we can do things, and i believe we should now, smaller things, played out over the long term that gives it solvency. medicare is another story. only 12 years of solvency lie ahead if we do nothing. so those who say don't touch it, don't change it are ignoring the obvious. >> despite showing willingness for reform -- >> can we talk about that for a second? >> i don't want to repeat what you said. >> it's bull hockey. >> that's not what you said. >> this whole thing has been a complete farce for years. there's no trust fund. they raided that a long time ago. but the bigger point, i will because you know what? my heart has grown like the grinch's since thanksgiving. i have so much to be thankful for. >> it's been growing ever since election day, basically. >> so i'm going to be kind. first of all, senator durbin deserves respect on this front because he
mattering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you i am glad to know other people bring charts to thanksgiving dinner. >> we're preparing them so america can do that. awesome. thanks. >> have a great thanksgiving. >> you, too. you know what i am thankful for this thanksgiving? i am thankful elections, they have consequences. >> the time for bickering is over. the time for games has passed. now is the time to deliver on health care. >> have you read the bill? hell, no, you haven't. >> the supreme court has upheld president obama's health care law. >> the health care law. >> the signature achievement of barack obama's presidency. >> now they're trying to drag it into the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> we have a new message from congressman boehner. >> we can't afford it, we can't afford it and we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's not a new message. >> can you say it was done openly? >> that is not a new message. >> they have been defeated three times. >> we had an election.
deficits it, to streamline our tax system. to do it in a balanced way. including asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. >> the problem with that strategy is that republic leaders are insisting that they don't want to take a framework for spending cuts down the road in exchange for tax changes now. they want it all done at the same time so that they can be sure that if taxes are going up on the rich, that in fact some of those spending cuts to bring down the debt will actually materialize. it might make it more likely to go of 00 cliff even though the president insisted today he thinks there will be a deal within weeks, shep. >> shepard: as for extending tax cuts for middle class americans it sounds like there is some agreement on that matter. >> it sounds like some republicans rank and file republicans are starting to turn away a little bit from speaker john boehner. tom coal rank and file member. is he part of the leadership but from oklahoma and basically said today extend them for the large majority for the middle class and come back and fight it out in january instea
? >> illinois has the worst budget deficit in the nation and why is the state spending millions of taxpayer dollars on table for prisoners. >> and eco friendly zip lines, maybe they want them to watch "fox & friends" in prison, have you ever thought of that. >> dave: amen, there's some viewers, baby. >> clayton: "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ . >> alisyn:. >> alisyn: good morning, everybody, thanks for joining us bright and early on this sunday morning, we have quite a show for you, including the ongoing debate that dave briggs launched yesterday about yoga pants and we invite you to weigh in this morning. >> clayton: you're still leading this fight and championing this fight. >> alisyn: he's made it a platform. >> dave: i may run for the white house based on yoga pants. there's both good and bad and we will delve into this later on and look, common ground. it's unlike politics, there is some common ground between the two extremes. >> clayton: of yoga pants afficianados. >> alisyn: they're bipartisan. >> clayton: send us a picture of your yoga pants and dave can critique it. >> dave:
on deficit reduction combined with a commitment to hit the big numbers before the end of next year. >> in addition to the fiscal cliff, there's some big vak kis coming up in the president's cabinet, as well. we have the state department, we have treasury. those two we expected, even the cia now, the general petraeus scandal, three vacancies. >> three big ones at least and there's likely to be more shuffling. of course, the big controversy right now over who is going to replace hillary clinton at the state department. the president has signaled is favorite to be ambassador susan rice and faced opposition in the senate and house. this week, 97 house republicans signed a letter telling the president don't appoint susan rice. she came out this week and defended herself and the president indicated he would like to pick her although he said he didn't make a final decision. i believe if he went for it despite the controversy over what happened in benghazi he would get her through. the leading candidate for treasury is probably the white house chief of staff jack lew. although that might n
international and irskin bowles are amongst those scheduled to attend. half the bowls simpson deficit planned and laid out own formula to save $2 trillion. it is clear republicans like his ideas which would generate $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. meanwhile so much tax reform about allowing the bush tax cuts to allow the wealthy tox expire cost $9.69 billion a day to run. estimated additional revenue from allowing the bush tax cuts to expire would generate an average of $82.4 billion a year. so the money saved would run the government for 8 and a half days, shep. >> shepard: mike emanuel live in our newsroom. warning from the white house tonight. it says americans who may do less holiday shopping this year because they are worried about possible tax hikes in january. if we do go off the cliff, the white house is predicting more serious consequences for the entire economy. a lot of details here and they are coming up inside fox report. well, just hours remain in what is expected to be the biggest online shopping day ever. the research firm core score predicts americans will spend $
, the deficits are going to go even higher. >> oh, yeah. even a maximum deal, i think, all of us would agree is not going to happen. simpson-bowles is not going to go through. even that would not be commensurate with the question. and i think what exacerbates this is every day that passes, the president works on one kind of clock. and everybody else invested in the system works on a different one. the president's clock is now just ticking toward history. everybody else is ticking toward the next election. both in '14 and in '16. and the human reality of politics is that as he starts to think more long term, everybody else is going to be imprisoned, if you will, or trapped, constrained by having to go back and getting re-elected. >> let me stop you for one second. you're a historian. i am a politician by trade when it comes to this stuff. and i can tell you the clock is actually, in my opinion, the clock is actually ticking fastest for the president. because at some point, the republicans are going to pick themselves up off the ground, and they're going to say, wait a second. i got 78% in my
billion a year and would pay ian volving credit but it doesn't touch our deficit or balance our budget and the other thing that is important they have to get something in return. we'll put it up on the clinton rates and not touch medicare or medicaid? it is all part of the deal. >> gretchen: once you get people back to the table. it is it like a marriage, marriages don't work when one party said i will not budge on anything. >> brian: i hope my wife is listening. >> steve: we are in the let's make a deal stage. both sides want to appear flexibility when it comes to doing something. we aapparently the president of the united states. the week after thanksgiving nothing is scheduled. but we understand that the top aides are working together to do something. who is leading the charge for the white house? tim geithner. it is interesting, in the beginning, during the confirmation it was revealed he did not file taxes properly and people say is he qualified to be the treasury of the secretary. according to the wall street journal. they work with him and like him. and jack lu who did it last t
, unbelievable, it is up to half a billion dollars. >> probably going to be as large as the deficit by next week. seems like everyone is buying tickets unless sadly you live in one of those states -- tsk, tsk -- those eight states that don't take part in powerball. >> you should move. >> it is un-american. >> these are some of the many called powerball refugees. many live in california. doesn't allow you to buy powerball. they have crossed the state line into arizona to buy tickets. powerball not played in california, nevada, utah, wyoming, mississippi, and alabama. >> imagine, california, huge state. imagine if they can get in the mix, the jackpot would be incredible. ooh. all that powerball jack pot, the topic of our facebook question yesterday. >> we wanted to know what would you do with all that prize money? vanessa said, buy a home where my family lives, donate to alzheimers research, help those who've helped me, help some homeless people, donate to a veterans home, feed hungry children. why don't you try solving world peace, too, vanessa. that is very altruistic of you. kudos. >> joseph, i
, like deficit reduction. so nixon thought he was making a positive contribution that way. but nixon also disagreed with perot's protectionist and isolationist strains in his platform. and then perot exited the race and jumped back in, and this really disappointed nixon because he thought that perot was treating the presidential race as a game that was subject to his own caprices and his own whims. and so nixon thought that the country could not afford to have such an erratic character as a vice presidential or a presidential nominee. c-span: how did you go about getting random house to buy this book? >> guest: actually, i had worked with harry evans at random house on nixon's last book, "beyond peace." so i had somewhat of an association with him. and i let him know that i had several sample chapters done that mr. safire had read, and i had a simple outline for him, and would he be willing to read it? and he was, and he liked it, and so that's how it came to be c-span: and when did you start that process? >> guest: actually, i originally envisioned this book as a single volume. i thought
in an opinion piece this week that the president's health care reform must be included in deficit negotiations. >>> before you tell your kids a story of christmas, listen up. the pope is out with a new book, and it debunks a lot of details about jesus' birth. more on that later on this hour. >> here on the help desk we're talking about paying down debt and saving for the future. with me this hour are greg olson and carmen. greg, this question is for you. suzanne told us the more she spends on paying off her debt, the less she has to save. >> how do we balance between saving for the future and paying down some credit card debt? >> you know, those bills come in, and you see that debt, and your eyes just pop out of your head. >> it's an easy question, but i'm very glad she asked it because it's something that most people get wrong. unless you have an introductory rate or you're paying a sfwler 0% introductory rate and have the ability to transfer that in the future, low credit card debt rates are considered 12% right now. show me where you can get an investment that's going to net on an after tax
to see them try different things. first of all, let's recognize the fact that we had the deficits right now as a result of obama's budget. that's $5.3 trillion. that's in his budget. he signed that. we have a lot of the programs that should be undone. give you an example, we had a democrat president back in the '90s, bill clinton, while we had a republican majority in the house and the senate. we did welfare reform. we put the work back into welfare and it was tremendously successful. we decreased the welfare rolls. now, obama's reversed that. now we have it's gone up, the food stamp program now gone up from 28 million families to 47 million. that's just one of the things that can be reversed, that got news this mess to start with. >> gretchen: but senator, why does it appear -- and obviously the election was a result of it -- why does it appear that president obama wins the pr campaign on this entire discussion? >> well, gretchen, i represent oklahoma. he hasn't won up there. >> gretchen: but he's winning it acrossment country. >> well, i know, he's a very persuasive person. that doesn
't say al qaeda or iran or north korea, what he said was the debt and deficit. i think that is exactly right. above all, this is the future. we are not talking about a physical infrastructure, we are talking about our human infrastructure. joel klein is someone who has dedicated the most recent date of his multifaceted career to this. when he is in discovering the best restaurants in brooklyn, he is focused on improving the lot of young people in this country. mostly the other way around. some going to tell you about the time he has dedicated to this issue. about a year and a half ago, i called a condoleezza rice and i said i wanted to do something with me. and i said richard, don't even go there, and i said okay. and so i said before the end of this conversation, you are going to agree to what i'm going ask to ask you. and she said, no way. i said right. we spent a lot of time on all the traditional foreign-policy issues. we are focused on being domestic and what we want to do is report on education. we don't want a piece on everyone else has done. what we want to do is look at educat
he said was the deficit in the state of american society. i think that's exactly right. you can look at questions of the budget. you can look at questions of infrastructure. immigration policy. but above all, education policy. this is the future. we're not talking about her physical infrastructure. and joel klein is someone who's given his most recent phase of his multi-career when he discovers the best restaurants in brooklyn, is focused on improving a lot of young people in this country. it's supposed to be the other way around. so i'm going to tell you how condi has been dedicated to this issue. a year and a half ago i called her up and said convy, i want you to do some thing for me and with me. she said richard coming to b.c. don't even start. i said okay. i said before the end of this conversation come you're going to agree with going to ask you. and she said no way. i said with the council on foreign relations and all of our time working on things like china and mexico and all the traditional foreign-policy issues. we believe the agenda and all things domestic. but we want to d
we need other than taxing the rich? >> we need a framework so you can look and see the deficit is coming down to near zero. that's what we need. >> where do we get the money on the spending side? >> well, first, on the taxes in addition to raising the tax rates, what we're going to start hearing much more about is the unbelievable tax gimmicks. i just want to say, but, joe, one thing about that, if i could. >> where is the spending coming from? >> i want to say one thing about that that's funny. go google and some of our other biggest companies have been hiding profits for years from the irs. with the irs' approval, putting it in bermuda and so forth. now europe is saying, because they use european con duets, okay, we'll tax that. no, that's money that should be taxed by the united states. stow if we continue our gimmicks we're going to lose it to europeans. >> so we have to raise rates and we have to cut loopholes. what about on the spending side? where do we get the money there? >> we're going to have to get defense under control and spend these wasteful wars have added trill
penny to the deficit. we should put together something like a simpson/bowles commission. right now it's going to last for another 22 years untouched, but let's make sure it's stronger, longer. but when it comes to the other entitlement programs, medicare and medicaid, we've got to make certain that we preserve these basic programs, not to go the route of the paul ryan voucherizing, leaving senioring vulnerable for health insurance they cannot find or cannot afford. but make sure we change the program to save the money, reduce the increase in health care costs. medicaid is the one i'll add, joe, that concerns me the most. it has the least politically articulate constituency. these are the poorest people in america. we've got to make sure at the end of the day, we protect the children, mothers with babies, and particularly the frail elderly being covered by medicaid. we can make changes there and preserve the basic integrity of these programs. >> well, of course, people in medicaid don't have the aarp fighting for them day in and day out, running 30-second ads. isn't that one of the gre
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